Massachusetts GOP in Crisis with Leadership Shakeup and Superdelegate Debate

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So, if you're going to head out for your walk today, I'll make sure you bundle up just a little bit, but it's bearable. So, the forecast from the WPRI TV2 weather center coming up at 1:00 as part of the news. So, stay tuned for that. All right, a lot of interesting stuff to get to today and um not the least of which is a developing story involving the Massachusetts Republican Party and um I'm not sure if it's reached really mainstream news uh levels here in Massachusetts just yet, but um a lot of writing from the New England Conservative Coalition and Boston Broadside and others about the goings on and this is something we've kind of been following behind the scenes for a few days now. And um John Milligan, you remember John Milligan a couple of weeks ago was on the program. Um he called into the program. He's uh the executive director of the mass GOP. he called up and he was pretty pissed off because I was saying that the the party just wasn't organized and it wasn't um it wasn't um um working uh appropriately with the local um grassroots efforts to try to make progress here in Massachusetts. and he was pretty poed and it didn't take long before the conversation uh collapsed into a screaming match between the two of us and then I just kind of let him go and um John Milligan is out today, okay, as the executive director of the Mass GOP and it has nothing to do with my conversation with him although the issues that we talked about him with or talked about with him um certainly are at the heart of his departure. And let me just very quickly read to you from the New England Conservative Coalition. It says, "The um Massachusetts Republican Party has been thrown into turmoil following the sudden resignation of Executive Director John Milligan. A move that deepens the instability already gripping the state's GOP apparatus. Milligan's departure comes at a critical juncture for the party struggling to maintain structure, credibility, and financial solveny." Now, this couldn't come at a worse time. We of course are in the middle of a governor's race and we um are also looking to perhaps um send Ed Marky packing next year. Right. Uh just quickly, sources close to the organization described rising tension among party officials and members citing months of internal strife, fractured leadership, and near empty coffers. Recent filings show the mass GOP with roughly $7,000 in cash on hand uh due to the party's ongoing debts for campaign finance violations and alleged illegal donations and debts owed to a marketing agency. An alarmingly low amount for statewide political operation heading into the 2026 midterms. Insiders acknowledge that the party currently has no available funds to support candidates running for office next year, leaving Republican campaigns across the Commonwealth without essential organizational or financial backing. But that's only the half of it. Um, there is a massive major dispute that is brewing also within the Republican party that Milligan is involved in or was involved in before he stepped aside. And this has to do with the issue of super delegates. And the Boston Broadside had a piece this morning as this Massachusetts GOP convention for sale. So, I've asked Holly Roashad, who um is our usual Thursday guest, but I asked Holly to join us today um in in the noon hour for a few minutes to try to explain to us what's going on with the superdelegates and um and why this is such a big issue because I can't think of anybody who could um uh can do that and communicate it to us in a better way. So, Holly's with me on the line right now. Holly, appreciate your time. Uh thank you so much. And uh boy, what a mess, huh? >> Yeah. Well, thanks for having me on. And um just so everybody knows, I was um on I was an elected member of the state committee for 16 uh years. So, um and uh you know, I enjoyed working with the party and stuff. Um but then I left um to go write for the Boston Herald and stuff, so I couldn't I couldn't do both. But anyways, um uh yeah, we've got something developing right now. And and just a full disclosure that I work for um Brian shortsleeve for governor. Um now I've been involved in many campaigns and you know and it's all it's been a problem for our state party that we have superdelegates um you know we get elect the majority of the delegates get elected at Republican town committees, Republican city committees across the state. They all have to be formed by December 31st in order to be able to have a caucus between January and February to elect um delegates to go to the convention. Uh but there's also uh 300 superdelegates that can be appointed by the uh uh by the um chair chairwoman now. And it's always been a problem. Um, you know, I've been in many races where, you know, the chair is, you know, last time I was with Chris Dodie and, uh, you know, it was pretty open that Jim Lions, well, Jim Lions, who was the chairman at the time, endorsed, um, Jeff Deal. Uh, and, um, you know, by the bylaws, that's not supposed to happen, but he did. Um and anyways uh then he had 300 delegates to appoint uh to you know you know to appoint to um to the convention. Now the problem is is that he can appoint them all or you know now Amy can appoint them all for one campaign out there and it gives the impression that our convention is for sale that these 300 delegates you know they pay their fee you know a campaign can pay for their fee and they can get those 300 delegates. Now, usually our campaign gets, you know, I mean, each um the convention has 2,000 delegates. And I Lonnie Brennan's um article does a great job of explaining this, but usually we get 2,00 to 2500 people that turn out as delegates. Well, if the state GOP chair, whoever it is, can appoint 300, we're talking about the 15, we're talking with 2,000 delegates, that's 15% of the convention. And that's kind of a magic number because in order to get on the ballot to compete for governor next uh September for for the primary and then November, you know, after that, you have to get 15% of the delegates at the convention in order to compete in the primary. Uh and so if the chairperson has 300 delegates, that's that's actually 15%. So it the chair can make the decision with whoever they appoint as superdelegates the decision whether or not somebody makes the ballot and that defeats one of the major purposes of the convention. The convention is for you know for determining who should go forward in this primary. So, um, yeah, the the point the piece that Lonnie Brennan wrote on Boston Broadside's website this morning, um, you know, makes the point that there is well, there certainly would be a perception anyway that, um, this could be tipped one way or another, uh, by a um by a party chair that that has a a preference, right, in in in a particular race going forward. And and and in my view, that kind of taints the credibility Well, right. It it hurts it hurts the credibility of the convention. Yeah. And what we we should do is say enough of the superdelegates, right? We have an apparatus, right? Right now, um with the count out there of, you know, the formula that they use for the Republican town committees and city committees to choose delegates. There's um an option of sending 6,000 delegates to this convention. We've never been able to really get to that level. And so there there's all these slots that go, you know, that go unused at at the town committee level. Well, if the town committees can't fill their slots, why are we appointing, you know, 300 delegates? Look, we if people want to go to the convention, they should go through the process of h of the Republican town committee uh and getting uh you know elected to a town committee, getting on to a town committee. This is all good stuff for getting our town committees activated, helping local candidates. So, um I just I think it gives a bad impression that there's superdelegates out there. People want to know that that their vote counts. And so I think the best way to do this is to make sure that we elect the de delegates from the town committees where the people get the vote and that it's not chosen by one person. Yeah. Now, I you know, I've known Na Amy and she said she she'll be fair and she probably will be, but it still gives that bad impression that this, you know, convention is, you know, for sale that somebody can go in there and buy a whole bunch of superdelegates and give the party a big check for superdelegates and uh and and that kind of dwarfs the or undermines the, you know, value of everybody that gets elected at the RTC level. >> Yeah. See, and this kind of continues to undermine uh something that I've talked about for a long time, and I know you and I have talked about it, and I've talked about it with others as well. Um the fact that the Republican party has done a lousy job to begin with in in building a base at the local level. And you know, without the superdelegates, you would be counting on people on the local level. And I think you would entice him. And that would help to grow the party at the local level, which is which is so important for it. you know, the Democrats, you know, years ago learned how to run for dog catcher and selectman and uh, you know, holder of deeds and all these different offices and then they've had a a bench and they've built on that and they've gone on to expand their power. There really isn't much of that in the Republican party. And I don't know, maybe part of that is cynicism over the superdelegates. Let me let me just for the record too let the audience know the superdelegates are not just a Republican thing and they're not just uh here in Massachusetts. I mean superdelegates are all over the Democrat National Committee. I can remember many debates over superdelegates. So this happens all over the place and I think that it turns [snorts] people off at the local level. the the average voter, I think it turns them off because it shows that the party, whether it be the national party, the state party, or whatever, is um is wielding a lot of power and a lot of control, and it kind of makes them feel as though maybe they're not as important as they think they are. >> I I I I believe you're right on that. And so, I mean, and look, and if if a campaign has people that they know of that want to go to the convention, instead of going the superdelegate route, send them to, you know, to join an RTC. get active at at that RTC level. Um I've done, as you know, like last year doing Kelly Junior's race, we we had some really good active RTC's and other ones weren't so great. And it's important to get these RTC's uh activated and helping the candidates because uh you know, I mean with Kelly, how many different towns that she had, you know, she needed all the help she can get. So by having good active RTC's, it's very helpful for our select candidate, you know, selectman candidates, it's helpful for our state rep candidates, it's helpful for our state senate candidates, and it also creates a backbone structure for somebody running for Congress or um or somebody running for US Senate. So you need these RTC's activated. And so why would we want to do anything to discourage that? >> No, I agree. Um, so the article again by Lonnie Brennan Boston broadside is this Massachusetts GOP convention for sale. So I guess there is a debate currently underway. I don't think it's been resolved yet about the superdelegates and there's been a suggestion made that the superdelegate count be reduced from 300 to 75. Has that been resolved at this point? >> So um the rules committee met uh last night. Okay. and they've met a couple times and you know they've passed on that they want to reduce it to 75 and that vote's going to come up um for um to the whole committee the whole state committee um next Thursday on the 20th and so the whole state committee the 80 members will vote whether to accept the rules delivered by the rules committee or if they're going to go into amend them and we've heard rumors that there are some people that are going to try to amend them to stick back in the $300 delegates there. You know, as Lonie's article claims that, you know, some people are saying it's um a money issue to get the the extra 300 delegates paying, but the convention fees for this convention have doubled. So, like when Chris Dodie went, it was $25,000 to go and speak and compete at the convention. Uh now, for any candidate for governor or for US Senate, it is $50,000. So the party with, you know, three candidates for governor and one candidate for US Senate, that's $200,000 right off the top. So this isn't really a money issue. And I think it's important for people to believe back in the Republican party, get people more activated that, you know, we we take away this suspicion over the superdelegates. So either cutting the number or eliminating them, I think that's in the best interest. And having worked many campaigns, I I can't tell you how many hours I spent worrying from, you know, my candidates perspective like who are those superdelegates going to go to? Is it going to be fair, right? Let's just take that out. Let's just have let's let the Republican town committees, the Republican activists speak about who they want on the >> Oh, let the people decide, right? >> We keep hearing about that. >> Funny that way. So, you know, we got a couple of different issues going on here. And there may be a lot of folks right now kind of scratching their heads. So, let's see if we can put it all together. Um, so I started by talking about John Milligan, okay? The executive director, now former executive director who is has been, I guess, replaced by Halley Jones. And um, so his abrupt resignation, does that have anything to do specifically with this debate over superdelegates or were there more issues here? I I think there were more issues on it. Um and look, you know, in that job as executive director, it's a tough job and so I think people burn out on it. So, uh that would be my best guess is that, you know, John has been there for many many years and and uh it was it was just time for him to find something else. >> Yeah. All right. So, what about the the condition of the party? I also led off by reading from the the New England Conservative Coalition. Uh the party is um suffering from uh internal strife. Quoting here, fractured leadership and near empty coffers. Recent filings show the mass GOP with roughly $7,000 in cash on hand uh due to the party's ongoing debts for campaign finance violations, alleged illegal donations, and debts owed to a marketing agency. So going into 2026, uh more Healey stuffed with cash, and the mass GOP has seven grand. Um, how how do you fund campaigns with that? >> Well, I think well, I mean, one with Deon getting into this race and that he's not going to have competition. Uh, it looks like um I believe the state part is going to endorse him on on um Thursday night. Uh so he will be able to put money into the into the party to help out. Uh the the the problem right now is you get three candidates for governor and a lot of times the the gubernatorial candidates um put money through the party um to to help their campaigns, which is all legal and stuff. Um the problem is is that there's a primary. So even if they were to have their suggest to their donors to donate to the party, um they can't say, "Well, this could help Brian shortsleeve because the party is not allowed to do anything to help any candidate until after the primary." So, I I do think that the money will be there. I look at, you know, look at um Brian Shortleaf. I mean, he's raised a million dollars for his campaign for governor, plus he's got a super PAC that's raised over a million dollars. So, I think there's going to be the money there. I know that I've been working with a lot of local candidates as well is that they're they're working hard to raise the money. Um, and I believe with how much money that the the the convention's costing, I don't think there's any way that the part is not going to have some some significant money there. Um, and, you know, hopefully, you know, we'll come out with a clear-cut winner at the convention and that'll make it easier. >> I know you have a vested interest in this. Um I I don't I'm I'm unenrolled so I you know but I I do tend to caucus with the with the >> I can't convince you to go to the convention. [laughter] >> But I mean um you know so it just seems the the the leadership of the Republican party in Massachusetts. It is in such disarray and it has been for a long long time. And um you just can't I mean everything starts with the leadership right? You need good solid leadership uh to put this thing together. And I know there's been some rough patches. The former chairman, you know, had some issues and and so on and so forth. But, uh, how do you get beyond that? How does the party finally, um, you know, uh, get to a point where, um, they're like the Democrats, organized. >> Well, I mean, the problem that we have is if I mean, the mass exodus out of Massachusetts, I'd [clears throat] say the majority of them are Republicans leaving the state. Um it look um and yeah we've had a lot of turmoil that the Latin path chair um there there were a lot of problems uh with how the money was expended and um I have to and a ton of lawsuits. Uh Amy has done a good job on um getting rid of those lawsuits. But um now is the time to no longer focus in on the past and cleaning up the mess. we really got to get it organized for 2026 in order to make sure these um you know all of our candidates win. It's not enough just to win the governor's race. We got to win a lot of legislative seats. And if you remember back in the days of Bill Weld, um he came in with a a whole bunch of new Republicans in the House and the Senate so he could get things done. So, so it's not just winning the governor's race. Uh we've got to win a lot of other races. >> I agree. Yeah. starting in the local communities and then right up through the state reps. When you get people in the local communities, then you have they can graduate because people know who they are. They can graduate, move up and and that's something that's been >> Kelly Donor. >> Yeah. Exactly. Right. So, >> I you know, my last thought is um and then I'll let you get back to whatever you had planned for this Friday, which probably didn't include me, but um you know, >> I'm always happy to talk to you. >> I love that, too. Um, you know, I um was was about to say and and I've probably said this a few times anyway. I know Tom Hodgen was in the studio just before I came in and we were talking on his way out the door. >> You're a great guy. >> And um so so I was talking to him and I'm like, you know, the the Democrats always seem to be united. You know, they get behind the closed doors and they say, you know, this is our candidate. Everybody else shut up. We're all unified and we're going forward. But then the more I I began to think about that, that's really not as true as it used to be. I mean, we had a primary for marquee seat last time out and I mean, look at all the Democrats that are ready to eat their their own um going after Marky Seed this time. So, I don't know whether this is something new for the Democrats or >> Yeah. >> And the hot rumor is that they're going to go after Jake Aenoff. >> They're going to go after him. >> Well, there's going to be a primary for him. >> Okay. >> There's been and Steve Lynch as well. So, uh, yeah, but the Democrats have been able to, they have, um, the way they run things is, look, um, leaders, you know, long ter longevity, being in office means a lot more to them than principles. And so when, you know, when people get elected, um, you better fall in line or or else, right, with the party. Um, and it's rare that they do, um, they they do, um, primary. everybody pretty much, you know, in the Democratic party, you're told to wait your turn, right? This isn't your turn. You can't you can't move up yet, right? Marky can't move up. Um, my understanding always was for Ed Marky's seat was that that the Kennedys put Marky in temporarily uh to kind of warm it up for Joe Kennedy and then Marky was supposed to move on because he was an older guy. He didn't move on. So, that's why they primar. uh it didn't work out so well, but >> but uh you know, a lot of it is um the Democrats, especially here in Massachusetts, they wield a lot of power. I mean, like if you if you're a Republican and you go against leadership, what are they going to do? Right. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> What are they going to do? They can't do anything to you. And uh and so I I think that's one of the reasons here in Massachusetts you see that the Democrats most of the time are very united because there is there is payback if you don't fall in line. >> Yeah. Just ask Chuck Schumer. Right. Holly, I asked you for 10. You gave me all this time and I do appreciate it very much and look forward to chatting with you again next week. >> Anything for you, Barry. >> All right. Have a good weekend. >> Thank you, Holly. Holly Rovishad, national political consultant and commentator and I couldn't think of anybody else to talk about Massachusetts politics with than Holly. I'm so glad she was available. All right, let me get a break and we're going to come right back and chat with you next on W. >> October brings it all. Halloween [music] parties, game day tailgates, crisp fall nights at Total Wine and More. You'll find just what you need for them all. Whether you're hosting friends or enjoying [music] the cool fall air, you'll find thousands of wine, spirits, and beers at the lowest prices. Mixing up something spooky? Total Wine and More is your cocktail central for all your Halloween concoctions. 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And uh so they're doing really well and um you got to love uh Drake May and his connection with Diggs and I mean the whole team just seems to be coming together right now, right? And um so um you know, we'll see. Let's uh let's hope for good things. Maybe the Patriots are back. And love the uniforms they were wearing last night. The Storm Northeaster was it noraster Storm uniforms. Uh pretty cool uniforms. But I was really worried about last night's game because sometimes you start to um you know read the press and you begin to believe in your own press and how great you are and everything. And uh and the Jets have nothing to lose certainly and they've been on a roll. They've won two straight. So, um, you know, I was I was kind of worried about that game last night, but, um, almost from the start, uh, it was it was a pretty good thing. So, all around happy, happy, happy to be a Patriot fan this morning. Right. By the way, we're talking about the Republican party and the governor's race. And, um, Mike Manugg, uh, who is the latest candidate to get in for the Republicans, uh, is having a meet and greet next Thursday, November 20th. Uh that's the day of the um the mass GOP um rules vote that Holly was just talking about. The meet and greet is going to be from 6:00 to 8 at the New Bedford Country Club on Sloum Road in North Dartmouth and it's being put on by the Republican Town Committee and Sheriff Hodgson will be there. So um uh we'll keep that handy and we'll remind you about that as it gets a little bit closer. But um you know it is really unfortunate that the Republican party continues to twist in the wind the way it is and um because people really need they really need a change and they want to change and um it it's very difficult and again there were several stories this morning uh the New England conservative um wrote about John Milligan and again I don't know if you remember a few weeks ago John Milligan called my show and he was quite angry with me I was talking about the lack of organization of the Republican party and and you know a couple of things that I pointed out to him was that nobody in the Republican party ever calls this show um you know or calls me or emails me or texts me and says hey we got a great candidate. Can we get him on or get her on or this is what we're doing? I did get a um well the story about that I just gave you about the um Mike Manugg event next week. I did get a notice to that, a direct email from Joanne Hodgson, who's one of our uh local city committee people um to tell me about it and ask me to mention it. Absolutely. Be happy to do it, but you got to give me the information. You don't give me the information, I can't promote it. And I do not chase down candidates. Back in my younger days, I used to chase candidates. Don't do it anymore. I don't get paid to chase them. They they are running for public office. They need to chase me. And and that's not an ego thing. It's just the way that it works. Um, so anyway, Milligan was on the program couple of weeks ago and uh immediately came I mean he came with his guns blazing from the hip. You know, he was all over me. I didn't know what the hell I was talking about and Jill USA had called in former um committee person for the area and you know she was talking about something that I had mentioned. you got to be more visible and you got to be out there so that the the voters know you exist and and the party just doesn't do that here. And he called up and was kind of angry about that. And we wound up in a shouting match and eventually I just had to hang up on it because he was just being uh he wasn't listening to a word I was saying. But um um that hey that's is right. Well, he's out. He has quit as executive director of the Mass GOP. Now, I'm hearing rumors that he um Holly said that he he he resigned. Um I'm hearing rumors that he quit and then wanted to go back and they told him, "No, thank you." But no, but the big story of the day, it's actually a multi- um um plot, drama going on here. And the New England Conservative Coalition writes today, "The Massachusetts Republican Party has been thrown into turmoil following the sudden resignation of Executive Director John Milligan." a move that depends I'm sorry, a move that deepens the um instability already gripping the state's GOP apparatus. Milligan's departure comes at a critical juncture for a party struggling to maintain structure, credibility, and financial solvency. Uh sources close to the organization described rising tension among party officials and members, citing months of internal strife, fractured leadership, and near empty coffers. Recent filings show the Mass GOP with roughly $7,000 in cash on hand uh due to the party's ongoing debts for campaign finance violations and alleged illegal donations and debts owed by a marketing agency for an alarmingly low amount for a U which they they say the $7,000 is an alarmingly low amount to have for a statewide political operation heading into a 2026 midterm. Uh insiders acknowledge that the the party currently has no available funds to support candidates running for office next year. Uh leaving Republican campaigns across the Commonwealth without essential organizational or financial backing. Um and it goes on and on. There's a lot more. But also the other story, the Boston Broadside had a piece today, mass Republican party change. um Milligan transitioning out Jones to step in. Haley Jones will be stepping in as the new executive director. But the bright side goes on to ask, is this Massachusetts GOP convention for sale? And the whole uh gripe here, the whole bone of contention, and there will be a vote taken next week on what's going to happen is um should the mass GOP be using superdelegates the way that they do? There are 300 superdelegates. There really aren't that many Republicans in Massachusetts. And generally the Republican town committees uh will vote to elect delegates to the convention to nominate which of the three in this case which of the three candidates for governor they want to be their standard bearer. And the party chair has control of 300 superdelegates. And there's the perception of a lot of folks that um you know if the party chair has a particular favorite that the lion share of those 300 delegates could go to that person and really um make the votes of the local Republican town committees moot right because you need 15% to get on the ballot and um so there's you know a lot of great deal of belief in in the theory that I mentioned my discussion with Holly that I believe is quite possibly true that um when you have that kind of superdelegate situation on the state level, that kind of discourages people at the local level to get involved. Um and that's where you need to be building the party. You need to be getting people at the local level to run for local office, to run for delegate positions, to um build a bench so these people can then turn around and run for the state house and and so on and so forth. There's no bench and the Republicans need a bench. So, I mean, the Republicans have a very serious problem and um and they got to work it out here. There's been a recommendation that they reduce the number of superdelegates from 300 to 75. And again, um Ali said there will be a vote on that coming up on Thursday. So, we'll see what happens there. Um but in the meantime, the Republicans need to rebuild their party and they have to start focusing on the local level. Uh they really do. It's it's just um just incredible. Um, also wanted to mention that there is going to be a recount locally. I'm sure Chris mentioned this and Tim probably mentioned it as well. Uh, W 2 city councelor Maria Giesta, who lost to um, Scott Peton by a reported 17 votes in last week's local election, has filed for a recount. I don't know when that recount will be held um but we'll let you know and uh we'll pass on the results of that to you. So Giesta Peton recount is in the offing. There will be a recount also I believe tomorrow between the finalists for mayor of Full River. I believe uh Kugan uh held on to his seat by about 200 votes and there's going to be an election recount in Full River tomorrow. So, um, interesting stuff, you know, to go back to Holly and talking about primaries and all that kind of stuff and elections and, um, she said she hears that there's going to be a primary challenge for Jake Aenclaus. That might be interesting. You know, it's it's because up until recently, I've always said, well, um, you know, the Democrats don't do primaries, right? They don't do primaries because they go into an election unified where the Republicans have three candidates for governor. They're going to spend all of their money. They're going to beat the crap out of each other between now and the convention and then they'll be broke and they'll be um um you know they'll be all tattered and torn apart by each other and the Democrat more Healey is going to go into the final election in great shape with lots of money. Um, but then I began to think about it and it occurred to me. Well, look at what they did to Marky last time out and they primared him with Jojo Joe and Jojo Joe got his ass handed to him and now look at all the Democrats that are hopping on the bandwagon now to challenge Ed Marky. There's a whole bunch of them and there may be more getting in. And there was a Republican candidate John Deon who has also gotten in. And Holly says, "Aenclaus, she's hearing rumors that Aenclaus may get a primary challenge, too." 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And that was always a song that was played at the um um at the game. Yeah. Uh during those years. Um anyway, I want to uh just uh express my condolences to the family of former school committee member um well former now um school committee member um Bruce Olivera who passed away last night. Uh I understand he was um suffering from cancer and was just have Monday night school committee member uh school committee meeting and um so that certainly is sad news if you haven't heard about it. Uh I know Chris mentioned it earlier and Tim's working on the story now. It's going to be up on uh wbsm.com shortly. So um certainly sad news here in the city of New Bedford and uh for the school committee and for the uh the family but Bruce Alivera passing away last night of from cancer and um yeah we keep him and his family in our thoughts and prayers here. All right, we've got a break for the news. It is time for that. Uh yeah, just about time for that, right? 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